AI Tools Podcast

In this Field Note episode, Ron Drescher shares a candid story about relying on hallucinated legal citations in a client memo — and explains why “just verify it” is not enough. He offers a more practical framework for lawyers who want to use AI safely, effectively, and without compromising their work product.

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729 Hallucinated Cases Later ... Lawyers Still Don't Get Ai (37 min)

A conversation with Professor Nancy Rapaport on legal ethics, AI risk, and what lawyers are getting wrong about AI adoption.

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How Lawyers Should Talk To AI (30 min)

Using a simple framework to get better results from ChatGPT, Copilot ane other AI Tools

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AI In Tools You're Already Using (36 min)

Conversation about how AI is already built into the tools lawyers use every day —

from email and Zoom to Google Workspace and Microsoft 365.

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About the show

Ron Drescher

Attorney & Host

After more than 40 years in the trenches of bankruptcy law, Ron Drescher has seen legal practice evolve from paper and fax machines to cloud software—and now to artificial intelligence.

He’s not a technologist. He’s a practicing lawyer who understands how law firms actually work—and where they break.

Through his podcast, AI Tools for Practicing Lawyers, Ron helps attorneys move beyond hype and confusion to practical, ethical use of AI in their day-to-day work. His focus is on what matters: tools that save time, improve client service, and fit within the realities of legal practice.

If you’re trying to figure out what AI actually means for your practice, Ron is the guide who speaks your language.

Heather Gardner

Co-Host & Founder, Propel Paralegal Services

Heather Gardner is the Founder and CEO of Propel Paralegal Services, a virtual legal support company providing experienced bankruptcy paralegal services to attorneys nationwide. She has spent her career working extensively with consumer bankruptcy practices, supporting debtor-focused Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 cases through every stage of the bankruptcy process.

An early adopter of AI in legal practice — from GPT to Spellbook — Heather uses AI extensively in content marketing, workflow development, and creating SOPs. She frequently speaks on practical ways attorneys can use AI tools for drafting, business operations, and everyday practice management.

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1000s

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